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Talking Point / Talking Point - Birth Centre
Talking Point - Birth Centre
Friday 27th August 2010

The future of Andover's Birth Centre has been put in serious doubt.

The local NHS Trust has said it is not being used enough and has asked its executive management to come up with some options. They haven't ruled out closing the service.

The Winchester and Eastleigh NHS Trust say the Birth Centre is costing them too much money. They say, on average, four babies are born there each week which is about the same as in previous years. They have also said there are no signs that this will increase despite thousands of extra homes being built in Andover.

'Staffing remains a challenge'

The birth centre was closed at the end of last year for five months because of staff shortages. A report to the Board said: "Staffing remains a challenge, reflecting the national picture and the current staffing arrangement. Finances must also be taken into account and the Board is asked to consider the future sustainability of the current service model in light of the need to break even in 2010/11 and the current imbalance of resource.

"A staffing model, which was put forward by staff at the ABC and the wider maternity team, was implemented in April to try and make better use of the Trust's team of midwives across the two hospitals and the community. However, this new way of working proved impractical and also created safety risks - lone worker issues and no 24 hour midwife cover.

"The decision to revert to the former 24/7 midwife staffing arrangement has led to costs and also increased pressure on midwifery resource across the whole service. The Trust is financing midwife cover seven days a week at Andover which is not being used due to the numbers of births. This is in contrast to the higher levels of activity at the RHCH where there is an average of 51."

Figures show that the cost per birth at the Andover Birth Centre is £1,085 compared to a cost of approximately £518 at the Royal Hampshire County Hospital in Winchester.

So now the Trust's executive management will take over with the aim of providing what they've described as: "A midwife service suitable for the local population that is financially sustainable."

Nothing has been ruled out including the complete closure of the Andover Birth Centre.

'Not making any assumptions'

Caroline Smith is the acting divisional general manager for family services at the Trust and said: "The Trust is committed to providing a midwifery-led birthing service and we now want to explore all the options available to enable us to deliver that.

When asked by Andover Sound if those options would include closing the Birth Centre she said: "I'm not making any assumptions and nor is the Trust at this moment. Part of this next phase of work is to look at everything that would be available to us. It would be wrong to draw any conclusions at this stage.

"We have to look at why it isn't being used enough. We've marketed the unit, we know it's very good and women who do give birth there like it. But if women aren't choosing it then we have to look seriously at what women want in relation to their place of birth."

'A setback' for Andover

North West Hampshire's MP has been commenting on the news. Sir George Young said: "It would be a setback. I hope that, whatever they do for births, they still keep it for anti-natal and post-natal checkups. As the local MP I want to see more services provided in the hospital and in the birth centre rather than fewer. Of course I think it would be sad if we had to step back and not carry out live births at the Birth Centre.

"I hope that through Andover Sound and the other media we can alert people to the risks that may face the birth centre and encourage people to make greater use of what I think is a first class facility with all the modern equipment with marvellous staff and I couldn't think of a better place for Andover women to have their babies.

"They have held open days in the past and it may be that the crisis that may confront it again will generate renewed interest in this facility and encourage people to go there and book it for their births so we can avert any threat that may be there."

Click play to listen to Ben McGrail's interview with Sir George.

Tell us what you think about this news by leaving a comment below.

Click below to hear more..

 
 
 
Julie of Andover says:
23:28  on  Monday 4th July 2011
"Andover birth centre should not close , Andover is growing all the time and we should be able to have our babys here,I had my first in Andover and they were fab, home from home , it felt like your mum or big sister was looking after you ,don't let them take it away "
 
 
jady morledge of andover says:
20:27  on  Friday 1st October 2010
"The ABC should be kept open , its a discrace that it should even come to question of closing it, ive had 6 children and i dont know what i would have done without them, All the staff are great and the midwifes should stay put . 2 years ago my husband and children did a charity car wash for ABC , to try and help them as the stuppid council dont seem to get it in there thick heads whats needed, we get stuppid balls made of stone for drunks to pee on and kids to jump on in the town , and yet we cant even support a much loved main part of andover that brings babies safe into this world !!!!!! something needs to be done and fast , all you councilors start doing your jobs properly and keep ABC open . thanks xx"
 
 
rachel of andover says:
19:01  on  Monday 20th September 2010
"sorry put comment on wrong page plase can you correct it and put it on correct page mny thanks "
 
 
rachel of ANDOVER says:
18:59  on  Monday 20th September 2010
"WE WERE DISSAPPOINTED AS THERE HAS BEEN A NEW SCHOOL BUILT ON OUR ESTATE AUGUSTA PARK WHICH OUR SON WAS NOT OFFERED A PLACE I HAVE TO MAKE A 24 MILE JOURNEY TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY HE IS IN THE JUNIORS AND WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO BE OFFERED A PLACE AT A SCHOOL WE COLUD WALK TO CAN U HELP"
 
 
rachel of andover says:
18:54  on  Monday 20th September 2010
"what a shame birth centre closing we had a baby this year in may and were hoping to have her at the a b c but when time came we had to go to winchester which we did not enjoy i had a terrible time my midwife was unhelpful when i needed it the birth centre which we used and supported are now due to close we have a lovely 18 week daughter and were hoping to have another later this year we were hoping to use the a b c cente again so please keep it open as we would try to use it again or we will have to go to basingstoke as we wouldnt go to winchester again "
 
 
kelly of andover says:
06:33  on  Thursday 9th September 2010
"i think its a total shame if the birth centre closes down i had my first 2 children there and would of had my third there if i didnt have to of been induced. i would personaly choose andover birth centre over winchester hospital anyday. i really hope they can do something so that it can stay open."
 
 
Jane of Andover says:
10:40  on  Wednesday 8th September 2010
"Personally I can't see the difference between a birth centre birth, and a home birth. You have very limited pain relief options (no epidurals), if you need an emergency C-section you have to be taken by ambulance to Winchester because Andover hospital can't do them, and there is no special care baby unit on the doorstep. I can totally understand women who are at all nervous about giving birth wanting to do it in a properly equipped hospital. Having said that the birth centre does provide excellent after care - which Winchester most certainly does not."
 
 
tigger of andover says:
16:02  on  Tuesday 7th September 2010
"what a terrible shame as a member of nhs staff i have just heard that the andover birth centre is to suspend its services from the 27th september and permanent closure in 3 months time. what a great loss for andover."
 
 
Sarah of Andover says:
21:47  on  Friday 3rd September 2010
"I had both my children in Andover. I was asked by my midwife where I would like to have my children and I had no questions straight away Andover. Cant we improve on the services offered in ABC as pointed out by Franki and upgrade and not down grade? It would be a great loss to Andover and new mums."
 
 
Franki of Andover says:
12:49  on  Friday 3rd September 2010
"Although Andover Birth Centre may be more convenient for those living in the area. I have heard a lot of people saying that they want to give birth in andover but they cant because there may be complications and may have to go to Winchester. This seems to be the case with a lot of people I know who have had or are having a baby. If Andover was to be able to offer a similar amount of services for complications ect then more people would be able to give birth in Andover."
 
 
clare of Andover says:
10:36  on  Friday 3rd September 2010
"I have visited the birth centre twice in the past month or so, the 1st visit all 6 beds were full and they were expecting a birth that morning, my 2nd visit, 3 beds full. Who says it's not being used. If the centre shuts before I'm due in March I won't be using Winchester out of principle. "
 
 
...Manuela.... of Andover says:
13:47  on  Wednesday 1st September 2010
"very well put Sam...My only concern is that if this is closed... again... then mums will not be able to use these facilities like ( Julia)"
 
 
Samantha Lewis of Shipton Bellinger says:
13:06  on  Wednesday 1st September 2010
"I gave birth 3 months ago at Salisbury Hospital, but would have been able to come to Andover had mine not been a complicated pregnancy. As far as As far as I am aware mothers from the Tidworth area are allowed to come to Andover, but I found that it was not mentioned to most mothers I met. Perhaps this is because the midwives we deal with are all based at Salisbury. Maybe someone from ABC should make sure there is more awareness of their facilities to people in this area. Particularly the forces families that might not have so much local knowledge."
 
 
Julia of Andover says:
11:07  on  Wednesday 1st September 2010
"I would have loved to have used the birth centre facilities when I had my children. Unfortunately, my 1st daughter needed the special care facilities at Winchester & when it came for me to have my 2nd daughter in December last year, the facilities were closed due to lack of staff!"
 
 
...Manuela... of Andover says:
10:03  on  Wednesday 1st September 2010
"When I was a young girl/ woman it was always Andover Hospital for everything~ if you said you "had to go to Winchester" ~ you could see the look of sheer horror~ that what ever ailed you~ meant a trip to WINCHESTER~ oh how times have changed~ now it's Winchester for everything~ how incredibly sad that a town as big as Andover...has facilities like our very own hospital but through lack of use... is in possible danger of now not being available for future generations.. of our young mothers. Tidworth is only up the road~ with a much larger percentage of young mums to be~ is there no way they could be encouraged to come to Andover…? It may well be that boundaries mean they HAVE to go to Salisbury or what ever, but it is a thought that could/should be explored? "
 
 
Claire of Andover says:
08:24  on  Wednesday 1st September 2010
"having had both my daughters in Andover and now expecting my third I have no intention of going to Winchester. At Andover I had such a lovely experience with both births, why anybody would go to Winchester when we have this wonderful facility on our door step is beyond me! If they close the ABC before I am due in April I will be opting for a home birth!"
 
 
Paul of Andover says:
10:23  on  Monday 30th August 2010
"Having two Daughters born there I find it disgusting that anyone could want to close such a worthy centre with trained staff who are absolutely marvellous compared to the 'conveyor belt' type of centre in Winchester, although I understand some complications result in the need for more experienced staff or equipment & medicines. I was also born in Andover War Memorial Hospital so I hope my daughters can utilise the centre for their children in time to come & keep up the history of our family as Andoverians!!"
 
 
Barbara of Andover says:
09:50  on  Sunday 29th August 2010
"Another cut in Services to Andover. With increasing population it is even more important that we keep services available in Andover. Over the years thousands of pounds have been raised to help provide facilities at Andover Birth Centre and now we are going to loose those facilities. It is almost impossible to get to Winchester by public transport which makes it very difficult for family to visit. When my daughter was born I spent many hours at Winchester as she was in special care. My husband didn't drive and had great difficulty getting to Winchester. The few days I spent in Andover Birth Centre was fantastic. The care from the midwives was fantastic and all the family found it easy to pop in to visit.Hopefully the trust will look again at this important service for Andover."
 
 
Neil of Andover says:
16:58  on  Saturday 28th August 2010
"I was born at Andover Hospital 37 yrs ago so I dont want to see this place close down traveling to Winchester or Basingstoke will be more stressfull and u dont want to call your baby A303 A34 M3 in their name to ref where they born so please keep the birth centre open"
 
 
charmaine of Andover says:
16:44  on  Friday 27th August 2010
"Reading this is very upsetting to me as i myself gave birth to my son at the ABC in May and would not want to go anywhere eles. They were brilliant there, i had one on one care and they were constantly there making sure i was ok. I have heard alot of stories from friends who had their children in winchester and they have had bad experiences and this frightens me at the thought of not being able to have my next child in Andover."
 
 
Claire Tuson of Andover says:
10:52  on  Friday 27th August 2010
"Again it's the small town being targeted, of course Winchester is busier, the population is bigger and if there are complications with the pregnacy or birth the women are taken to Winchester. Why would a lady living in Winchester choose to leave her home town and give birth in Andover? (at least they have the choice)More to the point why should we Andover ladies have our choices put under threat. Andover is a growing town and as Ian above says, how do the NHS Trust know the families coming to Andover will use Winchester and not ABC. I'd also like to raise the point that the Trust covers Winchester and Eastleigh, so do these pen pushers really have Andover at the heart of their decisions?, Do any of the Trust live in Andover? The only comfort i have that ABC will be left alone to run as it is is that Sir George Young has already spoken out in favour of keeping the Birth Centre open, But even he must be niffed that it is the 2nd time in a year that he is having to defend such an important service as the Andover Birth Centre. "
 
 
Jen of Andover says:
08:33  on  Friday 27th August 2010
"Yet another cut to sevices in Andover.Its amazing how Winchester never seem to have cuts imposed on them considering Andover and Villages make up a bigger population. What else are they going to cut. They keep chipping away.I can remember in years gone by we had a fully functioning Theatre perfoming various ops including removal of tonsils.Ladies ward, Mens ward, single rooms, Childrens bay,Maternity unit as it was called then,a casualty dept, plus the old St Johns Hospital in Junction Road. We then had a new extention to move the elderly from the old St Johns hosp,a unit to provide care for dementia/alzheimers. Now all we haveleft is one ward.Not forgetting a fab Minor Injuries Unit, though pease don't cut or injure yourself after 9.30pm. Other towns seem to improve there hopitals all we seem to have is ours taken away bit by bit. How very sad "
 
 
rachel of andover says:
23:37  on  Thursday 26th August 2010
"What a disgrace, yet another important service for andover in threat of being closed. I had both my children at andover , and the care/repsect/midwifes were second to none, they couldnt do enough for me and my babies! The only thing I dont understand is WHY? dont more people use it ?!! I must admit with my first , I was lead to believe I HAD to have my baby in winchester , in my 36th week I realised this was not true , I very quickly changed my plans to an andover birth, I believe if the midwives of andover made this more public knowledge then more people would use it, Im not the only person led to believe that you have to have your first in winchester. It would be a truely sad day to see ABC closed :("
 
 
Mr Grumpy of Andover says:
21:25  on  Thursday 26th August 2010
"If i lived in Andover but wanted to register with a doctor in Winchester I would not be allowed to as I would not be in their area, why is this not the same for the birthing centre. If you live in the Andover area you should have to use the birth centr there unless you have any conditions which need more attention. I cant understand people who live in one place and go somewhere else when, what we have is better then good enough.No wonder Andover is going down the pan"
 
 
Ian of Andover says:
19:05  on  Thursday 26th August 2010
""They have also said there are no signs that this will increase despite thousands of extra homes being built in Andover." I'd love to hear how they know the people moving into the new houses won't want their babies born at Andover Birth Centre!! Psychic are they? "
 
 
 
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