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Friday 16th July 2010 |
A car clamping company has taken a public-spirited Andover restaurant owner to court because he was helping people to not get clamped.
Chillies, on Winchester Street, could have been set to pay over £500 in damages.
The argument started in the car park just behind the restaurant. In March Chillies received a letter from the Southampton-based Whites Car Park Solutions. It said:
"If you carry on to warn people away from the car park causing me loss of earning I will have to issue a county court summons in the region of £150 for each day you do this."
Zak Hussein is the manager of Chillies. Sometimes his customers use the spaces in the car park when they collect a takeaway. It is a privately-owned car park with signs warning that you could get clamped if you stop.
Mr Hussein has told some customers to park elsewhere and says he was trying to protect his business: "They come here just for £20 worth of takeaway and along with this they get a £150 ticket. What I'm doing is warning my customers not to park there. If you park there you'll get clamped. I'm doing it for the sake of my business."
The clampers did take Chilies to court but the District Judge struck the case out in Southampton. The order said:
"The claim is struck out as disclosing no reasonable grounds for bring proceedings. It is not tortious to warn people of vehicle clamping operating in a car park."
This kind of clamping is legal and Whites Car Park Solutions are fully accredited and registered.
We called Jason White from the company and offered him an interview which he declined. He also denied any knowledge of the court case.
The company that owns the car park outside Chillies has also refused to answer our questions on why they use a clamping firm.
The land belongs to Langdown Commercial who are based on Charlton Road in Andover. Andover Sound has been calling them this week but they've so far turned down our offer of an interview.
We have been contacted by dozens of listeners in the last few days who have told us they have been charged around £150 after being clamped in the town.
There are calls for a law change on car clamping as anger has grown over the treatment of Chillies.
Reverend Andrew Ashdown was clamped there recently and had to immediately pay £150 to get his car back.
He said it left him overdrawn for the rest of the month: "Yes I was parked in the wrong place. I hadn't actually noticed the signs but there were signs there - I accept that. I think it's fairly obscene the extortionate amount that was charged for what is a small offence. I completely accept that they have a right to make a penalty and that's fine but it ought to be within reasonable levels.
"I would hope that the law could change to make it impossible for any individuals to have the freedom to charge such astronomical amounts."
At the moment there are no laws against private clamping but the Leader of Test Valley Borough Council says they'll consider a change if they were handed the powers.
In a statement, they've said: "The enforcement of parking on private land is a matter of agreement between the owner of the land and the clamping company. There is no regulation of the sector at the moment but there are currently moves to regulate the industry."
But Councillor Ian Carr says it could be possible: "The whole structure of local government is changing. Freedoms are being given to the Borough Council that we've never had before. Whether that one rolls down we'll have to wait and see.
"At the moment we don't regulate that or have any input in it. It's something I can look out for and put on the list of things we might want to do if the freedoms come up."
Meanwhile North West Hampshire's MP has told the House of Commons about an Andover restaurant's fight with a clamping firm.
Sir George Young brought the issue up in Westminster on Thursday telling colleagues that they needed to have ‘another look' at the law.
Andover Sound spoke to the Leader of the House of Commons on Friday morning: "It became clear that a lot of MPs have got the same problems and I think that we are going to have to have another look at this and see whether the legislation is as robust as it ought to be.
"There are just too many stories. I've been looking at the Andover Sound website and I think this is something that, as a government, we're going to have to have another look at."
Sir George also told us that he's written to the Secretary of State for Transport this week asking about whether a law change is possible. He says there are a number of options: "You could impose maximum penalties for parking that might be related to what, for example, you would pay if you parked on a double yellow line in Andover.
"Before we embarked on legislation we would want to have consultation with people to make sure we got it right. But my view at the moment is that the regime is not fair and it's something which I think any government will want to look at to make sure we got a better balance between what the wheel clampers can do and what the motorists can do."
The issue has been our Talking Point this week - you can read what people have had to say and leave your own thoughts on the item below.
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...Manuela... of Andover says: |
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14:48 on Wednesday 27th October 2010 |
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"http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1323967/Motorist-thrown-floor-confronting-clamper-tried-impound-car.html" |
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Philip Brice of Crawley says: |
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19:47 on Wednesday 20th October 2010 |
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"Clamping is stealing & useing the law to do it,this injustis must be stopped now. How can holding your property to ransom be legal & demanding money for its return just because you happen to be on someones property this is Dick Terpin, he was hung for this sort of crime." |
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Kevin Lewis of Shipton Bellinger says: |
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08:52 on Tuesday 17th August 2010 |
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"Wheel clampers are to be banned from operating on private land in England and Wales, the government is expected to confirm later.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10993473" |
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Jamil ( Chillies Restaurant) of Andover says: |
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01:13 on Thursday 5th August 2010 |
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"We really would like to thank all the people who have been supporting us. I think the law gave too much advantage to the clampers. It’s hard to believe these things happen in first world countries. Clampers blocking and then clamping while someone is seat in the car. I think the landlord should put a gate if they don’t want people to park. Mr white threatened me to take us to court and so hi did try but failed. I am sorry if the clampers don’t like reading this part of the comment…." |
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David of Nottinghamshire says: |
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21:57 on Wednesday 21st July 2010 |
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"All this talk about "illegal parking" is nonsense. As the parking takes place on private land then no statute law has been broken and hence no "illegal" activity has taken place. Please get your facts right about the difference between criminal law and civil law." |
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Victor Meldrew of Andover says: |
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19:25 on Tuesday 20th July 2010 |
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"Gail, firstly, i used to live above where Chillies is situated now, back in 1998. Tow bedroom flat to be precise and the car park we're discussing is where i used to park, it was for residents and business' attached to the car park. Secondly, this news thread is about Chillies warning their customers who illegally park and that they could be clamped if parked in the PRIVATE parking, again i reiterate, so they should be allowed to warn people. Thirdly, to give an correct opinion that differs to yours is not me being on my high horse, that's such a cop-out. Fourthly, yet again i reiterate, it is ILLEGAL to park there, whether you are there for 2 seconds, 20 minutes or 365 days, the clamping company have the right to clamp these people who park on PRIVATE land. Again, why not park across the road in the Police station? Because you all know it's PRIVATE, so why beside Chillies? Moral of this story is, the people who are clamped, deserve their punishment for breaking the law. " |
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Gail of Andover says: |
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16:08 on Tuesday 20th July 2010 |
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"Victor Meldrew get off your high horse, this isn't just about being clamped it is also about the way the company go about clamping vehicles.
Firstly no one lives above Chillies the parking is for businesses, whom most leave around 18.00hrs. So whilst I understand it is privately owned it is not bothering anyone after that time, (unless of course you work for the company, or are you the landlord)????
Secondly as you drive into the PRIVATELY owned car park as soon as you see the sign and go to drive out you are blocked in by the clamping company and cannot get out, this is done within seconds, surely blocking someone in is against their human rights as they are effectively being detained.
I would like to see someone drive in, realise they shouldn't be there and as they drive out, the clampers block them, the driver stays in their vehicle and refuses to move as the clampers cannot tow their vehicle away with them in it. And as the sign states Vehicle Clamp £150 PER DAY.
It seems strange that the Clamping Company or the Landlord have declined to speak about this issue." |
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Victor Meldrew of Andover says: |
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23:30 on Monday 19th July 2010 |
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"To 'me again......', absolutely nothing wrong with Chillies letting their customers know that they could be clamped. My point is the fact that if people DID get clamped, how can they complain? Sarah of Andover stated that this story was about clamping companies profiteering, no it isn't. This story is about common sense. The judge made the right decision, the people who are clamped(by parking on private company may I reiterate), don't make the right decision, that being them parking on private property. What do they expect? No sympathy, they deserve what they get. I'm sure the residents of the flats above are pretty peeved off coming home and seeing some dozy so and so parked in their space" |
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Me Again of tucking into a Chicken Madras says: |
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07:53 on Monday 19th July 2010 |
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"Victor, 100% right private property. So what is the crime of The Chillies reminding the general public that it is private property and not to park there?" |
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Victor Meldrew of Andover says: |
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11:35 on Sunday 18th July 2010 |
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"Sarah of Andover, you clearly are delusional, "This story is about a private company profiteering, from people parking in a empty parking lot on private property, which no one else is using at the time and is not the public highway", so let's just say it's your property, that you live in the flats above these restaurant outlets, would you want someone to park in your space, that you pay for(because it is part of the lease)? Why not just park across the road in the Police station? No? BECAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PARKING! Why should the owners put up a gate or barrier? It's THEIR property, they can do what they like to THEIR land, it is NOT for yourself or other's who park there ILLEGALLY! The owners could put up an inflatable fluffy cloud if they wanted(I'm sure Manuela would feel comfortable there though), it's entirely up to them, not you, not other Chillies customers. Yes, these clamping companies are usually bullies and the likes, but they are well within the law to clamp there, whether it's for 5 seconds, 2 days whatever, IT IS PRIVATE LAND! I suggest you do some serious research" |
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Victor Meldrew of Andover says: |
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11:26 on Sunday 18th July 2010 |
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"Seriously Manuela, what world do you live in? Does it consist of fluffy clouds and everything dreamy? I, along with alot of people, would wish you would set up residence back in Brighton!! I think Kevin Lewis is 100% correct, park there at your own risk, what more do you want? It clearly states that it is private parking, not for those who cannot be bothered to park elsewhere and take a small walk. It's not rocket science, but apparently to some, it is! " |
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Manuela of ...Andover... says: |
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14:46 on Saturday 17th July 2010 |
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"We are fortunate indeed for those of us lucky enough to live in his constituency ~ we have Sir George, he is already bringing this very subject up in Parliament.
We have a fabulous newspaper editor known for his integrity and an extremely pro active nationally known radio station ~
I think you will find that clampers now will be very wary indeed of being to eager to do anything that contravenes the law ~ all the allegations and anecdotal stories that have been printed should warn this firm that the general public will not stand by or should I say ‘sit in their cars’ and willingly be clamped any more.
Your time is up~ Please do your job~ legally, and ensure that the job you do as clampers is just that ~ a job. Currently the atmosphere in the town is one of open hostility to you, and that in itself can only damage your firms reputation ~ it may well be that this is a training issue~ that needs to be addressed?
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Me Again of Some where in a car park waiting for a curry says: |
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23:06 on Friday 16th July 2010 |
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"This needs to go national. Shame on you clampers!!!" |
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Ash of From the car park says: |
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23:01 on Friday 16th July 2010 |
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"Clampers, double yellow lines and traffic wardens are the death nail to our local High Streets. We need to make High Streets more accessible in a time of economic squeeze and not deter people from visiting their local shops in fear of the parking rules that only exist to add to the bank balances of wealthy individuals or local councils. High Streets are the soul of a local town, The Chillies has done nothing wrong in my opinion by warning people that they could get clamped, in fact surely they have only done their civic responsibility. " |
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jamil of andover says: |
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13:35 on Friday 16th July 2010 |
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"Mr Kaving, we are not talking about parking, we are talking about the clampers not even people a chance to read the sign and blocking then before they can move the car. i dont think the landlords will agree to put a gate because they get money from clampers....." |
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Sarah of Andover says: |
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22:41 on Thursday 15th July 2010 |
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"Kevin, I don't suppose you get many problems trying to find somewhere to park in Shipton Bellinger if you want to nip into your local shop. In anycase - this thread is not about parking illegally and the fines that might be imposed by the police or council for parking 'illegally' on the highway - I'm sure no one on this thread would condone parking illegally on the public highway. This story is about a private company profiteering, from people parking in a empty parking lot on private property, which no one else is using at the time and is not the public highway. The owners of the land could quite easily put up gates or a barrier." |
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Kevin Lewis of Shipton Bellinger says: |
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21:29 on Thursday 15th July 2010 |
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"I really don't see what peoples problems are with this clamping firm, if people are going to park their cars illegally then they should expect them to be clamped! It is quite easy to stop this and that is by simply parking legally." |
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Mr Grumpy of Andover says: |
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20:56 on Thursday 15th July 2010 |
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"Perhaps Andover sound could take up the challenge of finding out who owns this land then contacting them to ask what harm people are doing by parking there in the evenings and if they dont want people parking there then why not just put a barrier / gate there. Would be good to hear their reasons." |
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Sandra J Cook of Andover says: |
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14:04 on Thursday 15th July 2010 |
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"First of all I wana say, clamping is the worst job for anyone. Because I saw people throwing money at them and the clamper picking up the money. I really feel sorry for the businesses and the people who is suffering from the clamper and the landlords. " |
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Bob of Andover says: |
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09:31 on Thursday 15th July 2010 |
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"I wander if the owner of this piece of land is paying bussiness rates on it as oviously as he will be receiving a percentage of the clamping charges he is making more mony out of this pices of land than if there was a shop on it. At one time there used to be a chain across it at night but it apears that he proberable was aprocahed. when walking past one evening I saw someone pull in to pick someone up, as they pulled in so a car pulled in behind blocking them off, yes Mr Clamper!" |
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Mr Fairminded of Andover says: |
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00:08 on Thursday 15th July 2010 |
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"Many will know who the wealthy businessman is who owns this piece of land.I don't think he is short of money to say the least!
Anyone care to name him? Or is that 'an offense'?
Perhaps he would like to comment on here as to why he feels the need to work with a company in this manner and deprive people of the use of their vehicle, sometimes whilst sitting in it, trying to drive OUT of his property!!! The local police are well aware of this happening.
Why doesn't this constitute a criminal or civil offense? demanding money with menaces, extortion, or something,surely.
Anyone care to enlighten us all?" |
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Mr Grumpy of Andover says: |
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22:53 on Wednesday 14th July 2010 |
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"These clampers are nothing but little Hitlers, i bet if you went round their houses you would find a dvd on the side called The Top 50 Clamps Of All Times. Sad little muppets" |
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Richard Saunders of Andover says: |
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20:35 on Wednesday 14th July 2010 |
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"Easy way to beat the clamper, see the video, ask the local cops to attend to prevent a breach of the Peace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHwKLhIpa94&feature=related
regards" |
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Stevie of Andover says: |
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20:22 on Wednesday 14th July 2010 |
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"I think it's criminal what they are doing (pretty close to entrapment ) . I've seen them sitting outside these parking spaces in cars which have blacked out windows so drivers can't see them waiting to pounce . As soon as the driver is out of sight they are there with a clamp in hand and witin ten seconds it's on the car( they've got that down to a fine art). I have now problem telling people not to park there I feel it's my good deed for the day. It's funny how we have not seen them around the town since this all started. " |
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Manuela of Outside Chillies and Domminoes says: |
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20:16 on Wednesday 14th July 2010 |
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"I have heard some pretty outrageous Stories from 3 Different People all willing to tell me how this firm works.
I said at the beginning they are operating illegally and they are using tactics that is by their very nature entrapment
I also said right at the very beginning this is nothing to do with ensuring that the property they are paid to secure, and protect, is protected.
This is all to do with securing money at any costs.
I would like to be confronted about this, by this firm so that I can then tell them what I have been told.
If you are so good at the catching and imprisoning motorists … may I suggest that you put your rather dubious but wasted talents, to better use and see if you can join the police force… I am sure they could do with your skills at catching criminals.
Failing that, you could do us, and our country a good turn, and join the British Army and specifically ask to go over to Afghanistan, because I am sure you will be able to catch people over there.
Sir, what you are doing is not what you are paid to do. You are trapping people in order to line your own pockets.
You have done such a great job scaring people off that you have actually got very little chance of catching anyone now, outside CHILLIES, OR DOWN THE SIDE OF ROAD EITHER.
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Sarah of Artists' Way says: |
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19:27 on Wednesday 14th July 2010 |
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"Julie, that's awful. I can't imagine how angry and upset you must have been, and you'd not even got out of your car.
I can't believe they are allowed to block you in before they clamp you, that's outragious. If the police and the council won't or can't do anything then surely we need to be asking the land-owners who hire them,to end their contract? Who owns the land and what business hires this clamping company - do they have no shame?" |
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julie of andover says: |
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17:00 on Wednesday 14th July 2010 |
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"I too was clamped outside chillies whilst picking up food but was unfortunate not to have had advance warning by Mr Hussein. As in Mr Ashdowns case I too had not seen the warning signs but accept they were there. I have used this car park in the past out of business hours for the odd take away but obviously before it had become a clamping area, I didnt think to look for any signs. I pulled into the car park to allow my teenage daughters to leave the car safely and almost immediately felt a bang on the side of the car, I looked behind me assuming someone had hit the back of me only to see that a car had been reversed behind me allowing me no means of being able to move, Mr White was getting back to his feet after fitting the clamp to my rear wheel. I had no intention of leaving my vehicle and was extremely upset. Mr white was obviously sat in his car waiting for any vehicles to enter the car park and was going to clamp them at any cost! On speaking with him he told me go go over to the Police Station where they would tell me he was well within his rights to do this. I was very tearfull as I am a single mother and money is extremely tight. Everone in the station was very sympathetic but said their hands were tied. One kind Officer did come and try and reason with Mr White but he knows his rights. If it wasn't for my very understanding parents paying the bill for me I would have lost my car at a cost of £500 and a daily charge whilst it was impounded. £150 is a ridiculous amount of money and it should not be allowed. If nothing else lets hope this will warn many of your listeners so they dont find themselves in this very upsetting and stressful situation." |
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paul of andover says: |
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10:36 on Wednesday 14th July 2010 |
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"I totaly agree with carol about they sit and wait.
I parked my car out the front of habels in town a while back in the evening and walked down to the barbers in the alleyway.walked straight in and sat in the chair to get a hair cut.as the barber started cutting a man walked in who saw me park and said the man was clamping my car.he had to have been sat in marks car park due to the time involved.luckily i had sold a car that day so i could pay him.if i had parked three foot the other way on yellow lines he couldnt have done me.but i parked in a bay at the back of the shop that was closed." |
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Freeman of this land of Andover says: |
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18:44 on Tuesday 13th July 2010 |
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"It seems the Moderators have removed my comments about this 'upstanding citizen' who masquerades as a businessman.
My original post was NOT libellous,it was almost a carbon copy of a similar post on another forum and the sentence structure I used has been checked for legality.
I must conclude that Andover Sound is not used to straight talking from an ex-Northener who has taken similar companies to Mr.White's to court and beaten them. " |
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Neil of Andover says: |
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18:12 on Tuesday 13th July 2010 |
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"Perhaps its time that local councils forced this issue in parliament to give them the powers to stop highway robbery. Too much talking and not enough action. Come on George Young, lets hear your voice on this issue and defend our freedoms." |
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Carole of Andover says: |
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15:46 on Tuesday 13th July 2010 |
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"I know for a fact that some clampers wait for people to park incorrectly and then pounce as one of them told me so when he was charging me £150 to release my car, even though he had only just completed putting it on when I got there! To add insult to injury I did have a permit but it had fallen on the floor and although he could see it it "wasn't in the right place" so he clamped me anyway. I did appeal but it was a waste of time. Nasty way to earn a fortune!" |
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...Manuela... of ...Andover... says: |
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14:33 on Tuesday 13th July 2010 |
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" Your comment raises a few queries:
Why did you move your car? If it was to facilitate a delivery for your store, why are the management not intervening on your behalf?
Clamping any vehicle does not repeat not remove obstructions.
Nor does issuing penalty notices as a little known rule is: once you receive a penalty notice, there is no incentive to move your vehicle.. So the obstruction is not removed.
The purpose of clamping is to penalise and to produce revenue for the people employed with the task of securing any given plot of land.
I once received a £70 ticket on a car I had only owned 15 minutes and I was incensed as the sign was so faded that I hadn’t realised I was on private property..( not Andover)
I understand this topic from many angles as my husband used to work for TVBC and had to deal with all the excuses that people put forward for not paying their fines.
I firmly believe that we have all forgotten how to be kind and to be seen to be kind ♥ Chillies should be so well supported now, for what they have done locally for us all as a community… if nothing else it has banded many of us together because of the way this whole thing has been handled.
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09:00 on Tuesday 13th July 2010 |
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"I have recently been clamped by the 'Whites car park solutions' I work at W H Smith in the high street and had to move my car from the designated car park out the back to one parallel to make room for a delivery lorry. I had to quickly rush back on the shop floor, as it was a busy period and came back five minutes later to find a clamp being put on my car. I tried to appeal at the time, but being 18 I think my age was against me and was fined £125 which i had to re-imburse my parents at a later date. Like people have mentioned the Clampers do have a job to do, but they are relentless and Mr Hussein gets my full admiration." |
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00:21 on Tuesday 13th July 2010 |
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"Trust me when I say I know all about wheel clamping as I used to work for the police in Brighton.. and we had the dubious honour of being followed by a tv crew when the clampers came out... so when I say you are not allowed to trap people or be pro active in trying to get motorists to be trapped..it is because I know...." |
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Sarah of Artists' Way says: |
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20:07 on Monday 12th July 2010 |
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"That's shocking and I'm glad Chillies are not being stung, but what about the company which employs the services of the clamping company? Do they really want to be associated with this?" |
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chris Kirby of Andover says: |
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19:08 on Monday 12th July 2010 |
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"I have also witnessed this reputable company in action. most of these clampings are happening after office hours. why cant the owners of this small parking area allow short term parking after 6 in the evening. come you know that doing so would be a credit to your buisiness in the local community.
i can understand clamping of vehicles during office hours but at 10 pm at night!!! " |
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steve read of andover says: |
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18:48 on Monday 12th July 2010 |
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"White's remit is to enforce parking restrictions, not to clamp as many motorists possible, forcing them to pay insane amounts of money to release their property. I therefore have no problem informing motorists of their tactics and see it as my civic duty. In fact whites should be pleased that i am helping them do their correct job for no pay.
I see whites now also control the area around the arc car wash, this area used to (locked bollard) closed off at 8pm, now its left open at night. smacks of entrapment to me.
I have no problem with clamping as such, but i do believe in treating people with respect and giving due notice or warning(not a poorly lit sign on a distant wall just above the rubbish skip). If whites were to adopt a similar policy then i am sure they would gain a bit of respect and credibility and who knows,made welcome in this town. If not then they can ply their wares back in southampton and continue to be treated with the utter contempt they currently deserve." |
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Sarah of Andover says: |
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17:26 on Monday 12th July 2010 |
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"About time a judge did something right! I think Zak should help his customers.
These clampers and a drain on society and no one likes them!
Alternatively if the don't want people to park there then block it off properly so no one can get in there.
So much for a free country ey!
Its hardly a piece of land of much use so why don't the owners use the clamping (or another) company to monitor a pay machine for people to use that area?! That way the owners can still get revenue from the space " |
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Peter of Andover says: |
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15:39 on Monday 12th July 2010 |
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"Mr White should chill out, well done to the judge for clamping down on this issue,now perhaps there will be no more takeaways from the car park." |
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Gail of Andover says: |
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11:21 on Monday 12th July 2010 |
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"So Mr White is loosing revenue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what a shame I expect since he has been operating in Andover he has made thousands of pounds from poor unsuspecting motorists.
If they park their vehicle and leave it they are clamped and when they return to their vehicle they are informed it is £150 plus a further £250 because the tow truck has been deployed. Yet the sign states £150 per day so surely if a car is clamped it should be allowed to remain for a day as stated.
Mr White needs to leave Andover and the owner of the private parking areas in Andover needs to employ someone who is fair.
Maybe someone should take a photo of all the signs around Andover that Mr White has displayed and print them in the Andover Advertiser and on Andover Sound after all the Judge has stated it is not against the law to warn people
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Jenny of Roman Way says: |
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08:57 on Monday 12th July 2010 |
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"This story is unbelievable. In my opinion if this is a private car park there should be no need to have 'clampers' operating, they would surely be trespassing themselves if they went into this car park and clamped cars! My suggestion is to these clampers is to go and clamp vehicles that really are parked illegally, there's plenty of them out there! " |
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...Manuela... of ...Andover... says: |
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22:10 on Sunday 11th July 2010 |
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Is this bureaucracy gone mad?? Or what?
So Chillies was going to go to court? Umm is there one rule for breaking the law and another one for breaking the law then, if loss of revenue is involved???
In my book: If someone is doing someone a good turn and advising people not to park as you could be clamped? How is that wrong?
I think you will find it is illegal to be proactive in clamping…
Thank goodness that someone in this compensation culture, that has mushroomed beyond belief, has struck out in the name of common sense~ well done to the District Judge for exercising his wise judgment in this case.
As for Mr Hussein he is to be commended for sticking it out~ despite the threat of being taken to court~
What ever next? Police complaining that we can’t advise criminals to stop being criminals as they would be out of a job? Do we stop advising on health care, in case our hospitals and nursing staff suddenly find they have less to do?
What about our government then? Will we suddenly find that if everyone behaved and didn’t break the speed limit or councils if people stopped parking indiscriminately, that they would be complaining because of their loss of revenue?
Yes the clampers have to earn a living but their job, is not to be pro active in clamping, the idea of clamping is to desist people from doing so~ it is meant to be used as a deterrent~ not as a means of procuring further profit for the company who have been set the task of protecting the park or indeed any area that they are employed to take care of.
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