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Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
Andover's High Street could be set for more changes with the disabled parking outside the Guildhall earmarked for removal.
Test Valley Borough Council has said it's responding to calls from the public following a consultation in October.
The plans being recommended to the council's cabinet would see those six disabled spaces in front of the Guildhall being taken away. More spaces would then be allocated to other car parks around the town.
The plans would also mean all vehicles wouldn't be able to get up the High Street between 10 in the morning and six in the evening but disabled badge holders could park at the bottom. The creation of a turning area would leave eight bays in the High Street.
The idea is just one of a number of suggestions that have come from the consultation.
Town Centre Suggestions
(The following information is from the Test Valley Borough Council cabinet agenda dated 17/02/2010)
In October consultation was carried out to establish the public's views on the recent Andover town centre enhancement schemes. The consultation considered aesthetic and operational matters and proposed ideas and options to further improve the town centre. This report seeks approval to progress the landscaping and resurfacing work and also to progress formal consultation in relation to promoting the necessary Orders to change access and parking arrangements in the High Street and Waterloo Court. The main recommendations and considerations are as follows:
- Relocate the six disabled bays in the horseshoe in front of the Guildhall to various car parks. The bays would be converted to landscaped seating areas. The removal of these disabled bays aims to address concerns over pedestrian safety in High St and the replacement bays would be strategically located in the town to ensure that blue badge holders can continue to have easy access to all town centre services.
- Physically closing the northern section of Lower High St by installing a bollard and a turning area outside the former Woolworth's store with a view to preventing deliveries/vehicular access between 10am and 6pm. Two further disabled bays would need to be removed to achieve this, leaving a total of eight bays in High St.
- Consideration of the anti social behaviour, due to youths congregating outside the main entrance to the Chantry Centre is covered in the report. However the seating in this area is considered to be important and it is recommended that it be retained.
- Consideration is given to the provision of more taxi rank space in the town centre. The option to locate a night time rank on the disabled bays in Lower High St is not recommended however some alternatives are being proposed.
- The need for additional enforcement in High St is clear from public consultation and further work will be done to find ways to increase the current levels of enforcement.
- Various landscaping and street furniture changes are proposed and this includes the removal of some of the tall stainless steel planters. The other planters will remain in place but the maintenance arrangements will be improved.
- The need to improve the links to High Street is covered in the report. The only lane proposed to be fully resurfaced is the link to Waterloo Court past the Globe Pub. Other lanes will be improved through enhanced maintenance levels.
- Longer term aspirations include improvements to Upper High St north of the pedestrianised section, enhancement of the riverside area on Town Mills and the pocket park beyond.
What do you think about the plans? If you are disabled how will this affect you? Leave your comments below. |
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Neil of North Andover says: |
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21:56 on Wednesday 12th May 2010 |
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"Yes, I agee with all the proposals put forward by the Council. I never understand why people with a disability have close parking facilities when you see them coming out their vehicles they walk perfectly fine to me! It is another system that people abuse, yet again. Also, speed restrictions are usually not adhered to." |
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Robin Toates of Luggershall says: |
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07:13 on Wednesday 21st April 2010 |
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"@ anon. y shuld i b removd ? is it cuz im a temp ? we al got 2 work nd pay r bills ! wot abowt insted of puting anon put yor reel nam nd stop hydin bhind anon" |
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anon of andover says: |
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08:23 on Monday 19th April 2010 |
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"Radio Andover should remove this Robin TOATES" |
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Robin Toates of Luggershall says: |
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06:17 on Monday 12th April 2010 |
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"@ JILLy i dnt no wot the prolim is i tri joyn in nd peeps stil hav a go i dnt cal no1 nams i just cum on nd say my peece 4 u nd anon 2 say im a prat is silly. i spose i dnt no if im dislectic i mite b just fick ! lol i lick it her nd no wot peeps fink bout the townn 1 day i wil bi my own howse nd bring up childrin of my own i got 2 meat the rite laydee 1st lol" |
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Anon of Andover says: |
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20:10 on Thursday 8th April 2010 |
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"Jilly, then if you know about freedom of speech, surely Robin and the likes are entitled to their own different opinions? I'm not defending him/her in the least, i simply ignore silly comments made. You also commented about him/her 'getting a life and getting a job'. Because you don't agree? Surely you're contradicting your points raised? I also know that hammering someone who doesn't work(even though back tracking through the comments made, he/she does temp work), in this current climate, is harsh and undermining." |
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Jilly of Andover says: |
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07:59 on Thursday 8th April 2010 |
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"Anon: I know only too well about Dyslexia and how it effects the people who suffer with it,as 4 members of my family have it!
I never have and never will discriminate anyone,as I treat all people the same..
What I do not agree with is people on these pages taking light of the situation people comment on let alone mock the items in question!
There are always going to be comments on these pages that someone will not agree with,its called being human and having the freedom of speech!
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Anon of Andover says: |
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20:44 on Wednesday 7th April 2010 |
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"Jilly, athough i think Robin is a bit of a pratt, i think maybe you should do some research on dyslexia. Firstly, dyslexia has many variations:- "Letter or word reversals when reading. (Such as was/saw, b/d, p/q).
Letter or word reversals when writing.
Difficulty repeating what is said to them.
Poor handwriting or printing ability.
Poor drawing ability.
Reversing letters or words when spelling words that are presented orally.
Difficulty comprehending written or spoken directions.
Difficulty with right - left directionality.
Difficulty understanding or remembering what is said to them.
Difficulty understanding or remembering what they have just read.
Difficulty putting their thoughts on paper." There are many types of dyslexia, including the 'supposed' dyslexia Robin 'inherits'. Secondly, may i add, these pages are for people who choose to comment, without being derogatory or defamatory. They are open to ALL walks of life, whether you agree or not. I do believe Robin maybe some wind-up, but what IF, IF that is, he isn't? Presuming Robin is a 'he'? Then what? Would you discriminate further? Getting back to the subject of Disabled car parking, i for one am in favour in keeping them where they are" |
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JILLY of ANDOVER says: |
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14:37 on Wednesday 7th April 2010 |
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"ROBIN:I think it is time you stopped this silly game stating that you are Dyslectic!
In most if not all your messages on the talk pages have words spelt correctly the words that Dyslectic people would spell wrong..!
IE: Spend,Spent,Normal,Car,Parking,Spaces!
And also you say in one of your messages the word Disabuild,and then in another disabbled! (meaning Disabled)
A person with Dyslexia would not spell these words in the way you are doing!
People with Dyslexia spell the word as they feel it is spelt which would mean it gets spelt the same each and every time!
Believe me I know!
So stop this game,get a life and more besides get a job!!
These pages are for people who want to make genuine comments about life in Andover!
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Robin Toates of Luggershall says: |
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10:28 on Tuesday 6th April 2010 |
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"@ JIlly. i dnt spend al my munny in the pub sum is spent on the frooty masheen. wot relly anoys me is whn im standin ther in wethurspons i get bumpt in 2 by a fela in a whellchare who is always drunk it puts me of my game nd i loos consentrashun i lost mony cuz of him. 1 woz on a satday nd i culd of won the jakpot ! he spils his beer al down his beyerd nd down his front. y ? if he culd of cum frm top of town he wuldint b drinkin so mutch i bet he parks nr wethaspons nd gets ther b 4 any1 else do ya fink dats fare ? I dnt" |
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Kevin Lewis of Shipton Bellinger says: |
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17:41 on Monday 29th March 2010 |
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"I was walking through Andover today and counted 5 empty shop units in the Chantry centre and a couple on High Street. What shops could fill these units that would really make a difference to the number of people choosing to shop in Andover? Unfortunately I don't think the largest empty unit, old HMV shop in Chantry centre, would be big enough for Debenhams/BHS shop but who else might be able to move in to Andover and make a difference?" |
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JILLY of ANDOVER says: |
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16:27 on Monday 29th March 2010 |
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"ROBIN: Not everyone who receives dole money has the time to spend it in the pub as you seem to always be doing (RE:YOUR COMMENT)
Maybe some disabled people and some able bodied people think your a waste of space too maybe you get in there way when your going to the pub or Tesco!
And now to the comment in question:
I think the council should see what can be done with the disabled spaces in the town and what can they do to please everyone,they should take into account the thoughts and opinions of the people that do need these parking bays.
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Robin Toates of Luggershall says: |
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06:27 on Tuesday 23rd March 2010 |
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"i see al yor points nd i agree wiv janie. thes peeps wiv blu badges tack the p*** ! lick i sed b4 they shuld parck at the top of town away from us all they so annoyin havin to trip over thm when im goin 2 the pub or tesco. i even see 1 park outside clinten card shop ! " |
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Janice of Andover says: |
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12:18 on Friday 19th March 2010 |
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"Thank you
Its crazy
I heard someone would take TVBC to court over this,,Madness.
Who can I take to court to get a some benches back .. No one as I am able bodied. I may be 78 years old but that counts for little. We are on about a few spaces,which even when empty blue badge holders still park on the road side
Make the top area a "real" pedestrian area and put some benches in etc.
Is it the world gone mad or just Andover.We already DO have more than the required amount of disabled access and parking in the town, try Basingstoke if you are not sure. If we are going to do things that are not "required" but would be "nice" lets start with some road markings or pedestrian lights on the junction outside Wilkinsons as some one else has mentioned.. You know,, Where it is all double yellow and the blue badge holders park,,,,,
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Rob of Waterloo Court says: |
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22:44 on Friday 12th March 2010 |
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"I think Janice is making a number of valid points. As Blue Badge holders apparently can park almost anywhere there is not really a case for disabled parking bays. I have never been able to see the logic in having double yellow lines to indicate that it is unsafe to park and then allowing Blue Badge holders to park there for many hours. As an aside it does amuse me to how a large number of BB holders exactly qualify for this privilege. During the recent bad weather I have lost count of the number of drivers and passengers of cars with "disabled driver" signs who scurried across the snow to do their shopping and returned laden with shopping bags. I am sure most Blue Badge holders need this facility but again a vast number do not. " |
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anon of Andover says: |
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21:28 on Thursday 11th March 2010 |
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""Maybe some thought could now be given to the chaotic road junction outside,wilkinsons/iceland"
Yep stupid and crazy,to every one but the local council ..Typical
No giveways ..No decent 20mph signs.. And the stretch is to short to control .. Accident on the way.. Just put a give way on one of the 2 roads!! how simple.. some white lines!! Why is the local council so damm stupid .. Who puts thest silly rules in place ... we dont "need" to so we dont bother ? Great to live in Andover huh? And the curbs are already crumbling around the corner there, after what a year great workmanship....
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Janice of Andover says: |
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21:01 on Thursday 11th March 2010 |
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"OK ..
How many more disabiliy spaces do we need in Andover.... Theres a whole floor (at least) in the multi story ... Half never used.. And people with the pass seem to park on double yellows around andover anyway.. I have NEVER seen as many mobile "scooters" as you see in Andover .. EVER. If I see one more person "park" it outsde the shop before walking in to do the shopping I swear I will scream! I have also has 2 occasions when once myself and once my child have been hit by these things... Is there a "driving" course for these things? If you have a disability and need them to get around and you need parking then fair enough,, If you are fat or lazy .. Yes .. I have and do see it every day in Andover. Get off and walk,you are not helping the true disability cause!
Who fights for the non disabled person in this mixed up world .. I mean lets move benches as disabled people cant use them ..As if.. The council need to get some b**ls " |
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Graham of Andover says: |
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14:20 on Wednesday 3rd March 2010 |
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"Instead of wasting more of our council tax on this hairbrained scheme that no-one wants, why doesn't Teest Valley council plough the money into resurfacing the pavements around the town PROPERLY, instead of employing a two bit company spraying tar and rolling in grit.
The sooner we have a Town council that will gain power and strip Test Valley of it's powers the better.
At the next election we should kick those that represent us now out, and get some fresh faces and fresh idea's in the seats." |
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Michael of Andover says: |
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09:59 on Wednesday 3rd March 2010 |
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"I'm not going to comment on all the [censored]ing going on and will just say that everyone is entitled to an opinion for their own personal reasons and as far as I'm concerned isn't that what equality and diversity is all about? so nobody is right or wrong and we should respect each other for our beliefs! However my point is shouldn't we be looking for what is good for the future of Andover and it's development which will be of benefit to all of us and not just be subjective and look at what's good for the minority (whatever side of the fence you happen to be on). I think that the parking for blue badge holders is very good in Andover and of course there can always be more, but you can't please all the people all the time and that is a fact of life! I'm no fan of councillors at the best of times but for me to develope the top end of town to make it more pedestrianised, safer and pleasant is of benefit to both abled and disabled people so I think we should all agree on that. People don't like change but we shouldn't stand in the way of development and investment, the idea is sound the only issue is finding alternative parking bays for those that are removed and I'm sure that will be achieved by the council with everyone giving them suitable options through sites like this." |
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Anon of Andover says: |
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06:22 on Monday 22nd February 2010 |
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"Vince, this is the second time you have discriminated people for living outside Andover's juristictions. Are you never happy about people who live outside our town, to visit or to work in our town and have a say? I work(my workplace is on East Portway)with people who live in Ludgershall, i also work with people who are from Charlton, also Picket Piece, do they not count? You're almost as bad as the people who are discriminating against disabled people. Pot kettle black springs to mind! Typical Andover's small mindedness, no wonder we're not moving foward and have been left well behind like other towns, with an attitude like yours" |
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Vince of Andover says: |
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12:57 on Sunday 21st February 2010 |
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"Like everything else in this town, the disability discrimination act does apply, as Cllr Carr and cronnies want to change it so change it they will and B**** to the rest of us, except Robin who lives in Ludgershall in wiltshire, very near to Andover, almost as near as Charlton." |
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Kevin Lewis of Shipton Bellinger says: |
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12:16 on Saturday 20th February 2010 |
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"With regard to the disabled parking, why doesn't the council make the 50 yard area opposite Barclays Bank disabled parking? There are plenty of spaces ensuring the disabled are able to park in the town centre yet it will leave the area around the Guild Hall totally car free. The circular history of Andover pavement art will act as a nice barrier between the car park and the pedestrianised town centre." |
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Bob of Andover says: |
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13:33 on Thursday 18th February 2010 |
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"Hi my name is Bob im 51 years of age and have great difficulty walking very far. I understand some of your comments about the disabled parking at the top of the High Street but unless you are disabled you would not know what an asset these parking spaces are. I run a small business in Andover and am still able to get to my Bank and Solicitors due to the placing of these parking spots. There must be many like me who rely on these spaces for normal day to day living. I find it very difficult to walk more than a few steps even with a walking stick however that will at least get me into the Bank etc. What is the point of moving these spaces from what I have seen they are used quite a lot. I guess its the same old story unless you are disabled you would not understand.I would welcome any comment before I write to the Council on this matter." |
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Anon of Andover says: |
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12:49 on Wednesday 17th February 2010 |
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"Lawrence, busy then?" |
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Lawrence of Andover says: |
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12:10 on Wednesday 17th February 2010 |
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"James I raised the lack of road markings outside Wilkinson's with the Council, as I think it is dangerous, i.e no right of way.
The answer I received from the planners is that part of the road is know a 20MPH area- therefore it doesn't have to have road markings.
I told them I had no idea it was a 20MPH and asked where the signs were. Oh they said, by Safeway's. So I checked, but its not obvious especially if you're turning left from western Avenue of the signs are obscured by traffic.
I pointed this out and the council have painted 20MPH signs on the road. Of course everyone will notice these signs as you come through the traffic lights and will obey the new limit!
Ironically it was minuted in a meeting that people were speeding along that section, but as its a short section of road the Police cannot enforce.
The worst case scenario is a visitor to Andover for the first time parks his car in the short term car park, he didn't see the 20mph signs as he was trying to drive.As he leaves the car park he doesn't know or realise that it a 20 MPH zone and that in fact he doesn't have right of way.At the same time a motorcyclist fails to notice the 20mph signs, or notices them and is blissfully unaware that give way junctions have no signs.
He is distracted but all the beautiful things to see along the Street and his concentration lapses.
Of course it would have been to simple to have a pedestrian crossing or pinch point/ hump across the road by the entrance to Wilkinsons.
That is progress for you!
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James of Andover says: |
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17:53 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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""Maybe some thought could now be given to the chaotic road junction outside,wilkinsons/iceland"
YES !!! How can a junction be left like that with no markings ... Crazy
And as for the seats outside Tescos... Get rid of, if only to move the hoard of smoking youths and their bikes on .. No one that actualy NEEDS a seat can use them anway,, So silly argument ! We need someone in the council with some balls to speak up and say how it rearly is ....
Do they not read all the comments ? " |
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John Newell of Andover says: |
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17:12 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"How can anti social behaviour be defined as youths congregating outside the entrance to the Chantry Centre? I think that their undesirability has more to do with ageism and their limited spending power." |
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lisa of andover says: |
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15:26 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"i wasnt mocking anyone.i was just stating a fact. the people with blue badges didnt ask to have these things wrong with them and why shouldnt they have prioity over able bodied people if it makes their life a little easier to bare" |
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Robin Toates of Luggershall says: |
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15:15 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"@ Larence. Y am i a £££££ tacker? just becuz i speck my mind nd say wot most of the town feells ? O K i wnt hav a opinyin thn" |
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Lawrence of Andover says: |
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14:55 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"I think Robin is a p%££ Taker and I wouldn't make comments about any of his post (the jokes are wearing a bit thin).
I have few comments.
When they shut of the high street it ruined the towns life, its been proven the more supermarkets you build it kills of the town trade.
I bet though that TVBC when they made these changes promised disabled access.
And how are they going to delv all the goods to Prezzos or A.N.Other if it happens.
Lastly making more disabled spaces in the other car parks will reduce revenue or will TVBC raise the charges. If I was disabled I'd be even more likely to go to another out of town supermarket " |
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Sam of Andover says: |
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14:20 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"Robin, yes, people should not mock you if you do have dyslexia, but please have some manners and think before you type. You are totally wrong with the car park spaces, what gives you the privilage to park in spaces that are needed for the needy? " |
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Robin Toates of Luggershall says: |
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14:06 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"@ honst john. Can u feel free frm moking my speling plz. I hav diklecticia. I feel im beeing atact here. Wot gets me is whn i hav seen thm full up nd its raire that it is thn they park in the normal car park spaces do we normel peeps go mad? No same shuld b ovver way round if i wnt 2 pop in2 the banck nd spaces r free ther i wil park ther
@ lisa. I dnt meen 2 argu wiv u its just i fink its unfare they get prioritee whn we dont. At leest nw its equel" |
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Honest John of Andover says: |
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13:50 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"Robin, ever heard about spelling? I doubt it. Anyway, I think the reason these spaces were put where they were is so that disabled people could access the shops in town. The problem is the able-bodied lazy people who take these spaces to save themselves 2 minutes "just getting money from the bank". Man up, park where you're meant to park and leave these spaces for those who really need it!" |
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lisa of andover says: |
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13:39 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"when do you go to the high street in the middle of the night ? everytime im down there they are ALWAYS full up. it doesnt matter if you are in the space for two mintues or two hours , if you arent a blue badge holder then you shouldnt be in there.the fact is you are able to walk from the car park to the cash point and that person with the blue badge wouldnt be able to." |
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Robin Toates of Luggershall says: |
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13:20 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"@ lisa. I'm not ashammed of peeps its just that i find it a pain, its a waist of space not used mutch nd they mone whn sum1 parks in ther space 4 2 mins, even if ther goin 2 the bank or sumfin lick that. i fink its time 2 move it out the way nd let most of the peeps parck ther. thats all" |
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lisa of andover says: |
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11:02 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"why should the disabled spaces have been put at the top of the town out of the way as you put it robin ? are you ashamed of disabled people ? having a blue disabled badge is not only for wheelchair users and people who have trouble walking any distance but for example if you have a heart condition or are a cancer patient. with respect robin may i suggest you get yourself a dictionary ? " |
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Robin Toates of Luggershall says: |
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10:23 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"@ lisa. I hav a dodgie nee! fing is, they shuld hav pout these disabbled spaces at the top of town out the way 2 b honest" |
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claire of andover says: |
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10:17 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"why was this not done in the first place? so much money wasted. i welcome the changes. i've seen so many near misses on the high street cause it's not clear to all who has right of way etc especially to children who can't see a road so don't think twice about stepping out. also, even though we now have a 'pedestrianised' high street we still have to cram ourselves on the path next to the shops to avoid traffic so don't have the benefit of the extra space we were promised.
obviously this won't apply to all, before i get jumped on, but i've seen plenty of disabled people park in these bays and go shopping in the chantry centre. my question is this, if they can get from the high street to the chantry centre why can't they get from the chantry centre car park to the high street? there is nothing that i can see in the high street that isn't available elsewhere or that hasn't got parking at the back of the building either. e.g if a person needs to go to the chemist or a cash point.
i do think they are right to make better provision of spaces in other carparks around the town though. access to shops needs improving too. when i use a pushchair there are so many places i can't go into and i often think to myself that if i can't get in then neither would a wheelchair." |
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lisa of andover says: |
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08:27 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"did the council actually consult with disabled people over the removal of these spaces ? or was it the abled bodied people that park in there that dont need to ? it is so difficult to find a disabled space at the best of times for all the people parking in them that shouldnt.perhaps they need better monitoring and more parking tickets issued to stop this from happening.if they move the disabled spaces to car parks around the town some disabled people can not walk that from is this then discrimination against disabled people ? as for robin from ludgershall i hope you never become disabled and need to use one of these spaces." |
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John Gilmore of Andover says: |
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08:18 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"Removal of the disabled spaces is a good thing as the blue badge scheme is much abused,but replacing them with seating is only going to increase the anti social behavior problem by giving them somewhere else to congregate.Maybe some thought could now be given to the chaotic road junction outside,wilkinsons/iceland as this unmarked junction is an accident waiting to happen." |
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Robin Toates of Luggershall says: |
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07:58 on Tuesday 16th February 2010 |
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"gud. I'm glad ther gettin rid of the disabuild spaces, ther a pain nd rarly used. wot a waist" |
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